but we had to adjust to the environment we're in right now. that's what we're dealing with. >> where would you say the net flow is now between morgan stanley brokers and merrill brokers right now? who's winning? are you -- you added more? have they -- and are you -- are you in an aggressive mode right now in terms of offering them increased compensation to come to morgan stanley, or -- >> i'm going to give you an answer which may be a little counterintuitive. the person who's winning might be the one who's actually losing on net flow. in other words, there are some very aggressive recruiting packages out there. anybody can go out and spend money -- >> in the past -- >> spend money and buy talent. do you want us just buying talent? >> i don't know. where are you now in terms of totals? >> we're over 16,500. i forget exactly. i think merrill -- you know, honestly, i don't even know. >> ubs is a big player. >> well, ubs is very different. they're a global private bank doesn't have brokers, has private bankers. the domestic business which is the o